UPDATED WEDNESDAY, March 26, 2008
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| | Hell now loose in southern Iraq ? 17 US soldiers said captured by Mahdi army but news still pending for confirmation |
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Gonzoman
Message Board Member
Username: Gonzoman
Post Number: 34
Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 11:37 am: |
I just returned from the shooting range and was talking with the owner who informed me of some news. He told me that he was no longer recieving any shipments of CCI ammunition because they were going out of business due to higher manufacturing costs of lead, brass, etc...He told me to stock up on minimags and stingers becaused he could no longer order any CCI ammo direct!!! Anyone else heard of this?? If so, I'm going to Natchez right now and stocking up!!!
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I JUST CALLED CCI/SPEER AMMUNITION COMPANY AND THE ABOVE POSTING IS "NOT" TRUE. THEY TOLD ME IF ANYTHING THEY WERE GETTING MUCH MORE BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.
Teddy Jacobson
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Read ISAIAH Chapter 34, Verse 6 - THERE WILL BE A SLAUGHTER FOR G-D IS BASRA...
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Iraqi PM Gives Basra Gunmen Ultimatum
Email this StoryMar 26, 6:54 AM (ET)
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
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BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraq's prime minister on Wednesday gave gunmen in the southern oil port of Basra a three-day deadline to surrender their weapons and renounce violence as clashes between Shiite militia fighters and Iraqi security forces erupted for a second day.
At least 55 people have been killed and 300 wounded in Basra and Baghdad after the fighting spread to the capital's main Shiite district of Sadr City, police and hospital officials said.
The ultimatum came as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was in to supervise a crackdown against the spiraling violence between Basra militia factions vying for control of the center of the country's vast oil industry located near the Iranian border. The violence has raised fears that the cease-fire declared in August by Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr could unravel, presenting the gravest challenge to the Iraqi government in months.
Suspected Shiite extremists also unleashed rockets or mortars against the U.S.-protected Green Zone in central Baghdad for the third day this week.
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A resumption of intense fighting by al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia could kill more U.S. soldiers and threaten - at least in the short run - the security gains Washington has hailed as a sign that Iraq is on the road to recovery.
The burgeoning crisis - part of an intense power struggle among Shiite political factions - also will test the skill and resolve of Iraq's Shiite-led government in dealing with Shiite militias, with whom the national leadership had maintained close ties.
The Sadrists are angry over recent raids and detentions, saying U.S. and Iraqi forces have taken advantage of the cease-fire to crack down on the movement.
They also have accused rival Shiite parties, which control Iraqi security forces, of engineering the arrests to prevent them from mounting an effective election campaign. The showdown with al-Sadr has been brewing for months but has accelerated since parliament agreed in February to hold provincial elections by the fall.
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Reinforcements were sent to Basra from the Shiite holy city of Karbala, Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf said, adding a large number of gunmen have been detained.
Mortar rounds also hit a detention center in central Basra and injured 10, police said.
Sadiq al-Rikabi, a chief adviser to al-Maliki, said gunmen who fail to turn over their weapons to police stations in Basra by Friday will be targeted for arrest. He added that they also must sign a pledge renouncing violence.
"Any gunman who does not do that within these three days will be an outlaw," he said.
Iraqi officials say at least 40 people were killed and 200 wounded in the fighting in Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, 340 miles southeast of Baghdad.
British troops have remained at their base at the airport outside Basra and were not involved in the ground fighting, although British planes were providing air surveillance, according to the British Ministry of Defense. It said Wednesday that the Iraqis had not asked the British to intervene.
British forces turned over responsibility for Basra to the Iraqis in late December but say they will assist the Iraqis upon request.
Followers of al-Sadr also have been fighting U.S. and Iraqi forces in Baghdad and other cities in reaction to the Basra crackdown. Fifteen people were killed and 100 wounded in clashes in Sadr City that broke out Tuesday, according to police and hospital officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to release the information.
Hundreds of Sadr City residents took to the streets on Wednesday, demanding the government stop military operations in Basra and other cities and withdraw all security forces.
"We strongly condemn the assaults being conducted by the occupation forces along with the Iraqi security forces who have sold themselves to the renegade occupier," said demonstration leader Sheik Saleh al-Eraibi.
Nobody claimed responsibility for the attacks against the Green Zone, which houses the American and British embassies as well as the Iraqi government headquarters.
The U.S. military blamed Iranian-backed Shiite militia factions for a spate of rockets that struck the sprawling area on Sunday, killing an American financial analyst working for the embassy. Another volley slammed into the area on Tuesday, but Nantongo said no deaths or major casualties were reported.
A mortar shell or rocket that apparently fell short on Wednesday also struck a minibus in the mainly Shiite district of Karradah, killing at least two passengers and wounding seven others, according to police and hospital officials.
Two other Iraqis were killed and four wounded when another round struck a residential area in a Shiite neighborhood in western Baghdad, police said.
A LETTER FROM A SERGEANT MAJOR - YOU MUST READ THIS:
Jimmy Carter, you're the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage. You're the runner-in-chief.
Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses to the U.S.S. Cole and the First Trade Center Bombing and Our Embassy Bombings emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately, they grew bolder, until 9/11.
John Kerry, dishonesty is your most prominent attribute. You lied about American Soldiers in Vietnam. Your military service, like your life, is more fiction than fact. You've accused our Soldiers of terrorizing women and children in Iraq. You called Iraq the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, the same words you used to describe Vietnam. You're a fake. You want to run from Iraq and abandon the Iraqis to murderers just as you did the Vietnamese. Iraq, like Vietnam, is another war that you were for, before you were against it.
John Murtha, you said our military was broken. You said we can't win militarily in Iraq. You accused United States Marines of cold-blooded murder without proof. and said we should redeploy to Okinawa . Okinawa, John? And the Democrats call you their military expert! Are you sure you didn't suffer a traumatic brain injury while you were off building your war hero resume? You're a sad, pitiable, corrupt and washed up politician. You're not a Marine, sir. You wouldn't amount to a good pimple on a real Marine's butt. You're a phony and a disgrace. Run away, Johnand hide.
Dick Durbin, you accused our Soldiers at Guantanamo of being Nazis, tenders of Soviet style gulags and as bad as the regime of Pol Pot, who murdered two million of his own people after your party abandoned Southeast Asia to the Communists. Now you want to abandon the Iraqis to the same fate. History was not a good teacher for you, was it? Lord help us! See Dick run.
Ted Kennedy, for days on end you held poster-sized pictures from Abu Grhaib in front of any available television camera. Al Jazeera quoted you saying that Iraqi's torture chambers were open under new management. Did you see the news, Teddy? The Islamic Nazis demonstrate real torture for you again. If you truly supported our troops, you'd show the world poster-sized pictures of that atrocity and demand the annihilation of it. Your legislation stripping support from the South Vietnamese led to a communist victory there. You're a bloated, drunken fool bent on repeating the same historical blunder that turned freedom-seeking people over to homicidal, genocidal maniacs. To paraphrase John Murtha, all while sitting on your wide, gin-soaked rear-end in Washington, you killer.
Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Carl Levine, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Pat Leahy, Chuck Schumer, the Hollywood Leftist morons, et al, ad nauseam: Every time you stand in front of television cameras and broadcast to the Islamic Nazis that we went to war because our President lied, that the war is wrong and our Soldiers are torturers, that we should leave Iraq, you give the Islamic butchers - the same ones that tortured and mutilated American Soldiers - cause to think that we'll run away again, and all they have to do is hang on a little longer.
American news media, theNew YorkTimes particularly: Each time you publish stories about national defense secrets and our intelligence gathering methods, you become one United with the sub-human pieces of camel dung that torture and mutilate the bodies of American Soldiers. You can't strike up the courage to publish cartoons, but you can help Al Qaeda destroy my country. Actually, you are more dangerous to us than Al Qaeda is. Think about that each time you face Mecca to admire your Pulitzer.
You are America's 'AXIS OF IDIOTS'. Your Collective Stupidity will destroy us. Self-serving politics and terrorist-abetting news scoops are more important to you than our national security or the lives of innocent civilians and Soldiers. It bothers you that defending ourselves gets in the way of your elitist sport of politics and your ignorant editorializing. There is as much blood on your hands as is on the hands of murdering terrorists. Don't ever doubt that. Your frolics will only serve to extend this war as they extended Vietnam. If you want our Soldiers home, as you claim, knock off the crap and try supporting your country ahead of supporting your silly political aims and aiding our enemies.
Yes, I'm questioning your patriotism. Your loyalty ends with self. I'm also questioning why you're stealing air that decent Americans could be breathing. You don't deserve the protection of our men and women in uniform. You need to run away from this war, this country. Leave the war to the people who have the will to see it through and the country to people who are willing to defend it.
No, Mr. President, you don't get off the hook, either. Our country has two enemies: Those who want to destroy us from the outside and those who attempt it from within. Your Soldiers are dealing with the outside force. It's your obligation to support them by confronting the AXIS OF IDIOTS.
America must hear it from you that these self-centered people are harming our country, abetting the enemy and endangering our safety. Well up a little anger, please, and channel it toward the appropriate target. You must prosecute those who leak national security secrets to the media. You must prosecute those in the media who knowingly publish those secrets.
Our Soldiers need you to confront the enemy that they cannot. They need you to do it now.
Thanks,
J. D. Pendry
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Barak: Israel’s army and intelligence poised for instant response to Hizballah attack
March 24, 2008, 1:42 PM (GMT+02:00)
First publication of recent Imad Mughniyeh photo surveying Israel from Syrian Mt. Hermon
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak decided to place the armed forces on guard in view of indications that Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah may seriously intend making good on his threat of “open war” against Israel, whom he accuses of the Feb. 12 killing of Imad Mughniyeh.
Barak said Monday, March 24, Hizballah’s revenge threats are not to be taken lightly: “We must all be vigilant in the near future. But we’ll overcome that too.”
The Israeli Air Force, according to our sources, has prepared two command and control airplanes which are capable of transporting command centers and special forces from place to place and reacting to terrorist attacks far from Israel.
The Magen David Adom service nationwide has placed on standby double its usual complement of ambulances and medical teams.
According to our military sources, Barak latest directives Monday, March 24, signify his change of mind about the prospect of a Hizballah revenge attack. The earlier presumption that the Lebanese terrorists would hold their fire up until the Arab League summit convening in Damascus on March 29-30 has been abandoned to meet fast-moving events across Israel’s northern border.
1. Syria last week pushed the fighting strength of Palestinian terrorist groups under its shared control with Iran – an estimated 3,000-strong – across the border into the Lebanese Beqaa Valley.
It was initially supposed that these groups had been removed from their Damascus bases to get them out of the way of the Arab summit. But they have since been observed taking up battle positions and the delivery of large quantities of brand new weapons and ammunition.
2. Syria has also speeded up its arms shipments to Hizballah - notably, as DEBKAfile revealed two days ago, anti-aircraft weapons.
3. Apparently for back-up, Syria has massed armored divisions along its Lebanese border.
Israel’s military chiefs now read these moves as meaning that Hizballah, the new Palestinian deployment and the Syrian back-up forces are set to launch a military strike against targets in Israel and bracing for Israeli retaliation.
Israel’s defense chiefs do not count out Hizballah embarking on a number of coordinated terrorist operations over several hours or even days, synchronized with cross-border attacks on targets inside Israel.
The terrorist strikes may well be large-scale, multiple-casualty and directed at an overseas Israeli or Jewish target. The head of the terror center in the prime minister’s office referred incautiously last week to Hizballah’s hopes of Israel having to fly home “40 or 50 coffins,” a goal which Israel is determined to prevent - hence the Air Force’s command and control planes on the ready for rapid take-off to the scene of an attack. They are fitted out and manned for a wide range of contingencies, including rescue operations on foreign soil, requiring the local government’s approval.
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| Iran rejects Sarkozy’s claim on missile threats Monday, March 24, 2008 TEHRAN: An American nuclear submarine has crossed the Suez Canal to join the US fleet stationed in the Persian Gulf, Egyptian sources say. Egyptian officials reported that the nuclear submarine crossed the canal along with a destroyer on Friday and Egyptian forces were put on high alert when the navy convoy was passing through the canal. An American destroyer recently left the Persian Gulf, heading towards the Mediterranean Sea; earlier on Thursday, a US Navy rescue ship crossed the canal to enter the Red Sea. The deployment comes as recent reports allege that US Vice President Dick Cheney is seeking to rally the support of Middle Eastern states for launching an attack on Iran. This is while US officials deny that Cheney’s Mideast tour is linked to a possible military attack on Iran. According to the latest reports, in recent months a major part of the US Navy has been deployed in and around the Persian Gulf. Meanwhile, Iran on Sunday rejected French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s comments on the necessity to build a strong deterrent against new security threats posed by nuclear-armed Islamic states, a news agency reported. Speaking on Friday at the launch of the fourth of France’s latest generation of nuclear-armed submarines, Sarkozy said Iran was “increasing the range of its missiles while serious suspicions weigh on its nuclear programme”. But Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini insisted Iran was a source of peace and stability in the Middle East. “Iran has upgraded its capabilities (and) drawing a parallel between these achievements and possible threats against other countries is inappropriate and invalid,” the students’ news agency ISNA quoted Hosseini as saying. Iran, locked in a standoff with the West over its nuclear plans, had previously boasted it had missiles that could sink” big warships” in the Gulf, a region where US aircraft carriers and warships operate. Iran’s Shahab-3 missile, with a range of 2,000 km is capable of hitting Israel and US bases in the Gulf, Iranian officials say. Iran has refused to recognise Israel since the 1979 Islamic revolution toppled the US-backed Shah. Tehran said in November it had built a new missile with a range of 2,000 km, a step analysts said could add more power to its conventional arsenal when tensions over its atomic plans are rising. The West accuses Iran of trying to acquire nuclear weapons under cover of a civilian programme. Iran denies the charges, saying it only wants to generate electricity to meet the country’s booming demand. The U.N. Security Council has imposed three sanctions resolutions against Iran following Tehran’s failure to suspend its nuclear activities, as demanded by the council. Hosseini said Iran posed no threat to any country. “Iran’s foreign policy is in line with international regulations and laws,” he said. |
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Cheney On 4,000 Dead Americans: They Volunteered
Tuesday, March 25, 2008Wrapping up a nine-day overseas trip to Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney was asked, in an exclusive interview with ABC News, about the effect on the nation of today's grim milestone of at least 4,000 U.S. deaths over the five-year Iraq war.
Noting the burden placed on military families, the Vice President said the biggest burden is carried by President Bush, and reminded ABC news that the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan volunteered for duty.
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NEED A 380 - HERE IS GOOD ADVICE
DEATH NOTICE
The Funeral for my Mother And Brother was conducted Sunday March 16, 2008 in Broward and Dade County, Florida.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT MY MOTHER DIED WEDNESDAY MARCH 12, 2008 HOURS BEFORE HER 99th BIRTHDAY, THEY COULD NOT LOCATE MY BROTHER WHO WAS FOUR MILES AWAY IN FLORIDA AND WHEN THE AUTHORITIES WENT TO HIS APARTMENT THEY FOUND HIM DEAD. IT HAS BEEN A BAD DAY FOR ME AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UPDATE THESE BLOGGERS FOR A SHORT TIME, I WILL ASK MY SON CHARLES TO TAKE THIS OVER FOR NOW. I WILL NOT BE GOING TO FLORIDA, I WILL NEVER LEAVE TEXAS. I HAVE MANY OTHER SICK PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY AND I WILL KEEP YOU ADVISED AS THINGS HAPPEN IN MULTIPLES OF THREE AND ITS NOW G-D'S DECISION.
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NAA GUARDIAN CAN NOT EJECT THE LAST ROUND BECAUSE THERE IS NO EJECTOR.
View Full Version : NAA Guardian .380 Problem
BUT and this is a big BUT, no matter what he feeds it, it will stovepipe the last round in the magazine, every time.
It's his wife's carry piece and he is concerned about it's reliability. I have searched other forums and it seems a lot of other folks experience the same problem.
Any one out there know of a possible fix for this or does it have to make a trip back to the factory?
:banghead: :cuss: :fire:
These little guns operate that way pretty much all the time as they do not have ejectors. When the extractor pulls the fired casing from the chamber, the live round underneath, contained within the magazine, moves upward under pressure from the magazine spring, thus, helping push the fired casing up as the extractor pulls it out. When the last round is fired, there is not a round in the magazine to push against the fired casing, which, commonly, gets stuck in a classic stovepipe malfunction. The condition is inherent to the gun based on its simplicity of design.
I have a Guardian in .32 ACP. Rarely, the last casing will eject, but more commonly it gets caught between the slide breechface and the chamber. I don't worry about it for two reasons. First, I don't expect to be performing speed reloads should I actually need to use it. If things have degraded to the point I'm using this gun, I am at that stage of empty the mag in their ear and run away. Second, I have practiced clearing the stoppage, just as I would with my duty weapon, and have had no problems in ejecting the spent casing, and then switching the empty magazine for a full one. These are nice little guns, and I have had no problem with mine through hundreds of rounds, and four years of carry and practice. I hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Michael
His problem is slightly different from what you have experienced, his will not feed the last live cartridge, number six in the magazine.
If it were my gun, I would do as you have done and learn to deal with the problem. On the other hand, it's his wife's carry piece so I think I'll recommend to him to sell or trade the NAA and find a light weight S&W or Taurus .38 SPL revolver for her.
Again I thank you very much for the info.
I have read/experienced that the case from the last spent round occasionally gets stuck between the slide and the frame. Is this a product 'failure'? Should I be concerned?
No, frankly, not at all. Yes, we are aware of, and understand the causes of, this condition. Yes, it is not an uncommon occurrence. No, we do not believe it represents a performance failure and we do not intend to try to 'correct' the condition.
The design of this pistol does not include an ejector (not to be confused with an extractor), but relies on the following action of a fresh cartridge, as it is moving up the magazine stack and towards the chamber, to push the spent extracted case out of the breech. When the magazine is empty and there is no following cartridge to exert this pressure, the spent case may simply be trapped by the slide returning forward (the slide is not designed to remain open after the last round).
When a full magazine is inserted to replace the empty one, the slide must, in any/every event ('stovepipe' or not) be re-racked to chamber a fresh round. During this process, the spent case simply falls freely out of the breech and the pistol returns to battery - as though the condition had never existed. (Please note that we are not attempting to excuse any stovepipe of a live round. If that condition exists with any of our pistols, we will be happy to rework the gun to eliminate that failure).
People pay over $400 for a compact pistol they should be able to feel confident that it will work as advertised. Where does it say in your published owner's manual that the last spent casing will probably stovepipe and that's an OK normal condition. You say you are aware of the problem, why don't you try to fix it?
I won't trust an NAA Semi-auto as far as I can throw one and if your attitude is representative of the company you work for then I shall do all I know how to do to get the word out that your product does not live up to it's advertising and that The Guardian series is a poor investment. We bought your product because it was made in the USA, dam shame that off shore products perform better than yours. Even the little guy, Kel-Tec, will at least try to fix their problems but you say you have no intention of trying to fix your guns problems. You don't have to be a gunsmith to figure out that Kel-Tec is a better investment than NAA.
You say you have no intention of trying to correct the problem and that you don't intend to stand behind your product? Well then who do I have to speak to to get my $440 back, certainly not you I hope!
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NAA DOES NOT CARE - DON'T YOU GET IT BY NOW
THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS INFERIOR DESIGN FOR YEARS.
THERE ARE NOT MANY GOOD SMALL POCKET AND RELIABLE 380 ACP PISTOLS OUT THERE, MOST COMPANIES ARE CUTTING EVERY CORNER THEY CAN IN ORDER TO INCREASE THEIR MARGIN OF PROFIT. IN THE LONG RUN THEY LOSE AT YOUR EXPENSE.
IF YOU WANT A DECENT 380 ACP PISTOL - ONE CHOICE IS TO LOOK FOR A MINT CONDITION COLT MUSTANG. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THE COLT PONY AND I CONSIDER THE PONY A PIECE OF "JUNK"..........
NO BS HERE, I DO NOT BEAT AROUND THE BUSH.
NAA HAD THEIR CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR GUARDIAN INTO A FIRST CLASS LITTLE PISTOL BUT THEY DID IT THEIR WAY AND NOW KEL-TEC AND ESPECIALLY THE NEW RUGER "LCP" WILL EAT THEIR LUNCH. THEY CAN NOT COMPARE TO RUGER AND RUGER'S RESOURCES.
 Pistol |  | Caliber: | .380 Auto |
| Barrel Length: | 2.75" | ||
| Grip: | Glass-Filled Nylon | ||
| Rear Sight: | Fixed | ||
| Suggested Retail Price: | $ 330.00 |
THE NEW RUGER "LCP" AS WELL AS THE KEL-TEC HAS A BETTER EXTRACTOR AND A BETTER FEED RAMP AND IT HAS AN EJECTOR WHICH THE NAA GUARDIAN DOES NOT. THE RUGER "LCP" AND THE KEL -TEC FIRES FROM A LOCKED BREECH SO YOU WILL FEEL LESS RECOIL. THE NAA GUARDIAN IS A DIRECT BLOWBACK OPERATION.
HAVING A POLYMER FRAME IS GOOD FOR CARRY, DO NOT LET PEOPLE BS YOU. THESE PISTOLS ARE DESIGNED TO WORK FLAWLESSLY AND TO SHOOT A LITTLE AND TO CARRY ALL THE TIME.
THE OLD COLT MUSTANG HAS ALL THE BETTER FEATURES. THE MUSTANG WAS SINGLE ACTION ONLY. IF YOU HAVE A LIGHT WEIGHT MUSTANG DO NOT USE A STEEL GUIDE ROD AS IT WILL CHEW UP YOUR FRAME WITH REPEATED USE.
NAA HAS HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO REVISE AND RENOVATE AND RE-ENGINEER THE "GUARDIAN" BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO SO I CAN NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THE GREEDY OWNER. HAD HE DONE THE RIGHT THING YEARS AGO AND HE KNEW ABOUT ALL THESE PROBLEMS HE WOULD HAVE HAD A VERY FINE PISTOL TODAY.
THE NEW RUGER "LCP" WILL WHOLESALE FOR ABOUT $220.00 AND YOU JUST CAN NOT BEAT THAT, SO IF YOU JUST ADD $50.00 TO THAT YOU ARE STILL GETTING A GOOD BUY. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE USE OF CORBON POWERBALL WHICH IS A 70 GRAIN BULLET AT 1100 FEET PER SECOND.
ITS ALWAYS EASY FOR OWNERS TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE PURCHASES THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE, AS THEY WILL NOT FACE REALITY. "IT IS WHAT IT IS"
NAA Guardian Rifling - where is it ???
NAA Guardian - Breech Face Problem
FROM THE NAA MESSAGE BOARD REGARDING PROBLEMS WITH THE NAA GUARDIAN
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    Brewfu Message Board Member Username: Brewfu Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2008 |
I finaly found a guardian .380 for sale but it was used,i was tired of looking and this seemed to be what i was looking for,turns out this is a 2005 model.I took the gun to my brothers with some remington 95 gr fmjs and every other round choked almost.the spent caseing alot of times would get slammed back into the barrel,its like it wasnt picking up the new round or the spent casing just wasnt getting pushed out in time does anyone know if there was a problem with the early model .380 guardian? is it just wore out ? or was it just cheap wall mart ammo? anyways im gonna try a few diffrent types of ammo like some 102 gr +p+ and mabee a lighter load like a 90 or 92 gr i am a bit dissapointed at this point in time i can not trust this gun,it might be headed for the trash can and i will get a revolver.I like the gun the trigger pull was np the weight is np the size is perfect but i need it to be reliable any suggestions?? can it be sent back to guardian to be refurbished? | ||
| Darvell Message Board Member Username: Darvell Post Number: 701 Registered: 02-2003 |
I have a very early Guardian .380. In fact, it's the first .380 to be sold from the factory as a retail sale and has a serial number in the teens. I had a few problems with light strikes on hard-primed ammo, but that was easily fixed with a tighter hammer spring (done by NAA). It's been very reliable since then. I may take it back to NAA and have some custom work done on it and ask if there are any modifications that they suggest to older .380's, but I don't think there are any significant problems from early models. You might want to ask NAA directly about that, though. In any case, go ahead and send me yours if it will save it from the trash. ;) It's possible all it needs is a good cleaning and oil job. Darvell | ||
| Naacustsvc Moderator Username: Naacustsvc Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2007 |
Send your Guardian back to NAA for evaluation. We will be happy to check over your new purchase for you. NAA Repairs Attn: Jennifer 2150 S 950 E Provo, UT 84606 Include a note with your package that has your name, address, phone number, and the information listed above in your post. Please call if you have any further questions- 1-800-821-5783. | ||
| Sgtknuckles Message Board Member Username: Sgtknuckles Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2007 |
NAA Return is a Good Idea...<:-)) ~ OR ~ Well This Will Get You On The RIGHT Road To Happyness...<:-)) Its all about Springs (timing) in a Auto... they are ALL working together to get it to work... And "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" in a Automatic... Drag is a No No in a Automatic, that's why DriLube is King on a Self-defense Gun... It can Ride in you Pocket,or sit in a Drawer for a Year, and its ready to Getter-Done... What's our Motto Gunner's ~ "NO GUMMED UP GUNS" Remember~ any Shiny spot (wear) on a Auto's innerds is asking YOU for some LUBE...!!! 1) Get a New Slide Spring from NAA (and put it in the right way~direction) 2) Get a New Mag Spring From NAA (The Top Vary End of the spring faces to the Bullet end)(or a New Mag) 3) Good Quality AMMO (Fiocchi)(Remington is Crap) 4) Cleaning (brush the Chamber with a good Brass Bore Brush~ Straight through & Straight back out~ 5 times should do it~ make sure its clean) 5) Get some Remington DriLube (Teflon)(Its a Cleaner&Lube with Zero Drag~ Flush out the Extractor assembly~ Flush the firing pin hole & assembly from both sides~ now give the Slide Rails a Shot & every other moving internal part like the Hammer ect.ect. and put the gun back together, & wipe the Gun down with a Dry cloth)(Range Duty~ take the can to the range and give the slide a blast every 50 rounds just to be Nice)(DriLube does not attract Dirt, Lint, or Stain) Remington Rem DriLube http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showpage?saleitemid=103872&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=10612 Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics Pistol Ammunition 380AP, 380 ACP, Full Metal Jacket, 95 GR, 1010 fps, 50 Rd/bx $12.70 http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=89460 .380 ACP (Revolver Snubby): Average Velocity (ft/sec) Standard Deviation and Extreme Spreads are listed in ft/sec. Glaser 70-gr. Safety Slug(Silver) 1299 (ES: 116/SD: 44) Magtech Guardian Gold +P 85-gr. JHP 1075 (ES: 33/SD: 10) Federal 90-gr. JHP 1017 (ES: 48, SD: 17) Federal 90 gr Hydrashok 1036 (ES: 80, SD: 23) Hornady 90-gr. XTP 933 (ES: 42, SD: 14) Corbon 90-gr. JHP +P 1083 (ES: 45, SD: 17) Magtech 95-gr. FMJ 964 (ES: 29, SD: 10) Remington UMC 95-gr. FMJ 970 (ES: 32, SD: 9) Remington 102-gr. Golden Saber 928 (ES: 70, SD: 22) | ||
| Phydeaux88 Message Board Member Username: Phydeaux88 Post Number: 761 Registered: 11-2004 |
Brewfu SgtKnuckles is right about dry lube. I prefer Militec http://www.militec-1.com/ | ||
| Sgtknuckles Message Board Member Username: Sgtknuckles Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2007 |
Phydeaux88,... Your right... I Should have included Militec to... Its a little better for sustained Shooting...<:-)) When I take the extra time, and swab the Slide on My .45 Auto with it a couple of times, and use a hair-dryer to dry it... Its Vary Tenacious Stuff... The Military Loves the Stuff...<:-)) Militec keeps them AR-TYPE M-4 Jamo-Matics the Troops are using in the Sand-Pit, and it Keeps them running...<:-)) | ||
| Brewfu Message Board Member Username: Brewfu Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2008 |
Thanks to all that replied to my problem.I went to a gunshop to sign up for the carry permit class and there was a gunsmith shop next door,i thought i would get the feed ramp polished and get some good ammo too.i talked to the gunsmith and showed him my piece,after a short examination he noticed that the tip was chipped off the extractor and noteing that that dosent happen for no reason he also pointed out that the chamber and ramp were very rough in fact looked as though it was blast beaded metal that had never been polished he said it might have gotten missed in the production of the gun.so i left the gun with him he will either send for a new extractor and polish the chamber and feed ramp or send the gun to NAA.i feel better letting a gunsmith handle this than sending the gun myself Problem solved i would like to get some custom sights though,i am paranoid shipping stuff somthing always goes wrong /sigh anyways thanks for the input u guys hopfully i will be happily shooting in a few weeks |
